Here is the discussion topic for Law & Order SVU “Constricted” which aired on Thursday, October 24, 2024. Please feel free to add any feedback you have about this episode in the comments!
Oh boy. I need time to edit my thoughts so it does not turn into a 10 part comment. Trying to put too much into one ep might be part of the issue but a lot leaves you scratching your head
I'll say one thing. How careless of it was for Carisi to walk away from Rollins' daughter on a busy New York City street to chastise someone leering at your girls? I feared that while he was distracted someone would run off with the kid.
I have a lot of comments about this episode and none of them are that good, so bring on your 10 part comment, it may help to focus my thoughts (wink).
I’m happy to see that I’m not the only one that disliked this episode! Grant it some of these dislikes come from being a Pastor but double standards all around. Parents okay with their teenage kids having sex and before marriage but not okay with their spouse using porn? Both in my opinion at least are wrong. But you’ve already taught your kids sex is some sort of disposable thing by encouraging them to have sex as teenagers. The dad showing his son “what women like” from a porn video. Again exposing a teen to this thinking this is appropriate in the slightest even if the two kids were going to have sex? The show furthering the theory of kids and teenagers not having any accountability to their parents and parents should be more friends than responsible adults. No I’m sorry until you’re 18 or out of the house there are limits to your rights and privacy. Carisi leaving Rollins’ daughter on a busy NY city street where she could have easily been kidnapped. I mean how many times have we seen that before in the L&O universe? Carisi violating the creep’s constitutional rights by asking for his ID. Not identifying himself. Why does a a 9 year old need a cell phone? I agree with Carisi about how girls dress now a days. Definitely a need for more modesty. Regarding Rollins she’s the Intelligence Sgt. now? Basically the SVU version of Voight on Chicago PD? And she gets to travel and galavant because she is NY Intelligence. I don’t recall Voight getting this treatment, LOL! Guess Chicago doesn’t have the budget. And finally 😂 do they not know what they want to do with Carisi? Is he an ADA or a cop? Surely Baxter can’t be happy with how much time he spends at the SVU!
Fin explaining to Carisi the details of Rollins new job and that she will be traveling a lot was an interesting choice. I get its purpose of exposition to the audience but maybe Carisi should hv been telling Fin. I'm sure he and Rollins had discussed the demands of her new job and it sounds like she has been traveling quite a bit already. He didn't need Fin to break it down for him. And truly, we the audience didn't need Fin to tell us either since this was all explained in the last ep
When Carisi was telling Liv about the grown man checking out 9 year old Jessie, L's reaction seemed nonchalant.This could hv been the acting more than the writing. Her tone, lack of facial expression gave "I'm humoring your non-moment moment Carisi" She seemed more upset that he reacted but Liv would hv done the same. I was more concerned that he left Jessie by herself on a street corner, to walk several feet from her to confront the guy. Some other pervert could hv snatched her, Carisi!!
I rewound a few times, trying hard to understand Liv's advice to Carisi: "I hate to break it you but you better get used to this. You're about to have 2 teenaged daughter's soon." Not that soon, Liv . His eldest is 9. And Billie is, i think, 6. But I digress. I know what this show stands for so I don't think it was their intent but it sounded very much like Liv was saying get used to "pedo's" watching his underage daughters in a way that implied, "Lighten up. It's just a part of life". Like I said, don't think this is what they meant but it then left me really wondering, "What do you mean, Liv?!?!" Surely you're not asking the ADA for the SVU to chill about perverts in the world, in particular those that prey on children?
Yes, a grown man checking out a little girl is gross. Of course he had a reaction. I don't think I got that he took home the case w this ep. He had an incident of righteous indignation re his daughter. He had a great deal of rightful frustration re the details of this case. I don't think the frustration was because he was impaired by his love for his daughter and seeing her in Hannah. It felt like a huge leap Liv and Fin were making. Carisi, to me, seemed to be chewing gum and walking at the same time. I couldn't understand the mistrust from Liv and Fin and the underwhelming reaction to his upset over what happened while he was out w Jessie (part 1 of 2)
As for Hannah's mother: I think there is a difference between being open-minded and being reckless. To not only offer up the house, but to offer it at the same time you're finding out your teenage daughter is planning to hv sex doesn't past the smell test for open-mindedness for me. No further discussion, no appt w the OBGYN for her to ask her questions. Just straight to "here, have the house. I hope it's special" To me, she was reckless and she should hv been court ordered to do some things as well.
The part that gave me the most trouble was the case itself. Found it hard to follow what kind of blame if any they were putting on Ryan and needed a re-watch to try to understand.
I understand that they were trying to draw a line from the exposure to the porn to him actually acting out violently on Hannah. But Ryan was portrayed, both before and after the assault as genuinely non-violent, timid and dare I say kind(?). No secret deviance or anything so revealed to viewers to explain him being able to carry out the violent behavior. I think even some indication that he had grown to like violent porn would hv helped to explain his actions. It was hard watching him and believing he was capable of choking a girl to unconsciousness. However, I do like having this challenged- what a rapist looks like, presents like in the world. I would hv preferred some glimmer into his personality that would prove he is capable. At the same time I like the shades of gray stuff where the bad guy doesn't immediately appear so. I myself had to really think things thru with this one. On a single-watch this was very confusing. The execution could hv been better
A case like this probably wouldn't hv made it to trial. Involved lawyers, yes, but not made it all the way to a trial, I think. The second case where a child dies i guess then was needed to validate the courtroom scenes. But a look into the juvenile court system would hv felt more authentic and more interesting.
The father's allocution felt performative to me. Was irritated listening to him. Nothing felt sincere. Not buying all this insight he suddenly has.
An ok episode overall. Lots that felt confusing (part 2 of 2)
@ Chris- LOL I'm now seeing your comment. Could hv spared myself the endless mulling. 😂 Really took long to understand the case about Hannah and Ryan. I watched this ep back a couple times just trying to figure it out.
And yes- leaving Jessie was really the reckless part for me. Not only left by herself but also while she is completely absorbed w looking at her new phone. I went back and forth on leaving that out just for the sake of length of my post lol.
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Oh boy. I need time to edit my thoughts so it does not turn into a 10 part comment. Trying to put too much into one ep might be part of the issue but a lot leaves you scratching your head
I'll say one thing. How careless of it was for Carisi to walk away from Rollins' daughter on a busy New York City street to chastise someone leering at your girls? I feared that while he was distracted someone would run off with the kid.
I have a lot of comments about this episode and none of them are that good, so bring on your 10 part comment, it may help to focus my thoughts (wink).
I’m happy to see that I’m not the only one that disliked this episode! Grant it some of these dislikes come from being a Pastor but double standards all around. Parents okay with their teenage kids having sex and before marriage but not okay with their spouse using porn? Both in my opinion at least are wrong. But you’ve already taught your kids sex is some sort of disposable thing by encouraging them to have sex as teenagers. The dad showing his son “what women like” from a porn video. Again exposing a teen to this thinking this is appropriate in the slightest even if the two kids were going to have sex? The show furthering the theory of kids and teenagers not having any accountability to their parents and parents should be more friends than responsible adults. No I’m sorry until you’re 18 or out of the house there are limits to your rights and privacy. Carisi leaving Rollins’ daughter on a busy NY city street where she could have easily been kidnapped. I mean how many times have we seen that before in the L&O universe? Carisi violating the creep’s constitutional rights by asking for his ID. Not identifying himself. Why does a a 9 year old need a cell phone? I agree with Carisi about how girls dress now a days. Definitely a need for more modesty. Regarding Rollins she’s the Intelligence Sgt. now? Basically the SVU version of Voight on Chicago PD? And she gets to travel and galavant because she is NY Intelligence. I don’t recall Voight getting this treatment, LOL! Guess Chicago doesn’t have the budget. And finally 😂 do they not know what they want to do with Carisi? Is he an ADA or a cop? Surely Baxter can’t be happy with how much time he spends at the SVU!
Fin explaining to Carisi the details of Rollins new job and that she will be traveling a lot was an interesting choice. I get its purpose of exposition to the audience but maybe Carisi should hv been telling Fin. I'm sure he and Rollins had discussed the demands of her new job and it sounds like she has been traveling quite a bit already. He didn't need Fin to break it down for him. And truly, we the audience didn't need Fin to tell us either since this was all explained in the last ep
When Carisi was telling Liv about the grown man checking out 9 year old Jessie, L's reaction seemed nonchalant.This could hv been the acting more than the writing. Her tone, lack of facial expression gave "I'm humoring your non-moment moment Carisi" She seemed more upset that he reacted but Liv would hv done the same. I was more concerned that he left Jessie by herself on a street corner, to walk several feet from her to confront the guy. Some other pervert could hv snatched her, Carisi!!
I rewound a few times, trying hard to understand Liv's advice to Carisi:
"I hate to break it you but you better get used to this. You're about to have 2 teenaged daughter's soon."
Not that soon, Liv . His eldest is 9. And Billie is, i think, 6. But I digress.
I know what this show stands for so I don't think it was their intent but it sounded very much like Liv was saying get used to "pedo's" watching his underage daughters in a way that implied, "Lighten up. It's just a part of life". Like I said, don't think this is what they meant but it then left me really wondering, "What do you mean, Liv?!?!" Surely you're not asking the ADA for the SVU to chill about perverts in the world, in particular those that prey on children?
Yes, a grown man checking out a little girl is gross. Of course he had a reaction. I don't think I got that he took home the case w this ep. He had an incident of righteous indignation re his daughter. He had a great deal of rightful frustration re the details of this case. I don't think the frustration was because he was impaired by his love for his daughter and seeing her in Hannah. It felt like a huge leap Liv and Fin were making. Carisi, to me, seemed to be chewing gum and walking at the same time. I couldn't understand the mistrust from Liv and Fin and the underwhelming reaction to his upset over what happened while he was out w Jessie (part 1 of 2)
As for Hannah's mother: I think there is a difference between being open-minded and being reckless. To not only offer up the house, but to offer it at the same time you're finding out your teenage daughter is planning to hv sex doesn't past the smell test for open-mindedness for me. No further discussion, no appt w the OBGYN for her to ask her questions. Just straight to "here, have the house. I hope it's special" To me, she was reckless and she should hv been court ordered to do some things as well.
The part that gave me the most trouble was the case itself. Found it hard to follow what kind of blame if any they were putting on Ryan and needed a re-watch to try to understand.
I understand that they were trying to draw a line from the exposure to the porn to him actually acting out violently on Hannah. But Ryan was portrayed, both before and after the assault as genuinely non-violent, timid and dare I say kind(?). No secret deviance or anything so revealed to viewers to explain him being able to carry out the violent behavior. I think even some indication that he had grown to like violent porn would hv helped to explain his actions. It was hard watching him and believing he was capable of choking a girl to unconsciousness. However, I do like having this challenged- what a rapist looks like, presents like in the world. I would hv preferred some glimmer into his personality that would prove he is capable. At the same time I like the shades of gray stuff where the bad guy doesn't immediately appear so. I myself had to really think things thru with this one. On a single-watch this was very confusing. The execution could hv been better
A case like this probably wouldn't hv made it to trial. Involved lawyers, yes, but not made it all the way to a trial, I think. The second case where a child dies i guess then was needed to validate the courtroom scenes. But a look into the juvenile court system would hv felt more authentic and more interesting.
The father's allocution felt performative to me. Was irritated listening to him. Nothing felt sincere. Not buying all this insight he suddenly has.
An ok episode overall. Lots that felt confusing (part 2 of 2)
@ Chris- LOL I'm now seeing your comment. Could hv spared myself the endless mulling. 😂 Really took long to understand the case about Hannah and Ryan. I watched this ep back a couple times just trying to figure it out.
And yes- leaving Jessie was really the reckless part for me. Not only left by herself but also while she is completely absorbed w looking at her new phone. I went back and forth on leaving that out just for the sake of length of my post lol.
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