tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post579679049885854229..comments2024-03-27T13:36:16.415-04:00Comments on All Things Law And Order: Neal Baer to Exit Law & Order SVU for CBSChris Zimmerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11323003119915694545noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-85133527526162911302010-11-30T09:48:22.864-05:002010-11-30T09:48:22.864-05:001. NBC made it the priority, not Wolf himself.
3...1. NBC made it the priority, not Wolf himself. <br /><br />3. Even though I want to agree with you, I cannot, because that is far from true. SVU is the better rated show out of the franchise. Even though it's probably coming to an end, it could survive without the Mothership. As to the "storylines", the shows are just really about a case by case thing, there's no real "Esaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263390143102206878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-90172744333066196612010-11-30T02:43:43.487-05:002010-11-30T02:43:43.487-05:00Yeah, the "facts" pushed by Dick here ar...Yeah, the "facts" pushed by Dick here are not true at all:<br /><br />1. LOLA was well in development and was given its first season prior to the mothership being pulled. Period, end of story.<br /><br />2. It made no sense to piss off L&O fans and thus turn them against LOLA by pulling the mothership.<br /><br />3. SVU may be in trouble but that is indeed due to the mothership. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-83834094177907909792010-11-30T02:20:55.330-05:002010-11-30T02:20:55.330-05:00Of course Wolf cares about the Mothership. Why the...Of course Wolf cares about the Mothership. Why the hell wouldn't he? I mean WITHOUT the Mothership there would be no SVU, CI, TBJ, UK, LOLA, or Conviction (which you forgot). TBJ failed mainly because of the great Jerry Orbach's death, ratings drastically fell. Not just that but both Conviction and TBJ faced against CBS' Numb3rs. Both of those spinoffs were excellent shows, ConvictionEsaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263390143102206878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-14165835942666078892010-11-29T20:24:15.036-05:002010-11-29T20:24:15.036-05:00And the word around the stable is that L&O: Mi...And the word around the stable is that L&O: Miami may befall Criminal Intent on USA.<br /><br />Might pick up the slack CSI lost down there. Miami law is VERY different from NYC/LA. Their ADA's are AS[tate]A's.<br /><br />But SVU (and even LOLA) should be fans main concern (as of right now). I think LA might get one more season. It's SVU that worries me.Dick (not Wolf)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-20866015160544193232010-11-29T20:19:29.290-05:002010-11-29T20:19:29.290-05:00L&O is not going to save the franchise
SVU - ...L&O is not going to save the franchise<br /><br />SVU - might save it when Baer leaves.<br /><br />CI - ruined the franchise after Leight left.<br /><br />TBJ - tanked in 2005.<br /><br />UK - it's own business in the UK - might outlive the rest IMO.<br /><br />LA - if Balcer would go back to the original formula with a Los Angeles twist EVERY week, might survive more than (2) 5 seasons.<Dick (not Wolf)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-58896704484422259092010-11-29T19:22:31.879-05:002010-11-29T19:22:31.879-05:00Well, there's always a chance new episodes of ...Well, there's always a chance new episodes of the mothership can come back to the airwaves after the TNT deal expires. In my opinion, with CI set to begin it's final season in the spring, SVU's week to week shifting from great episodes to horrible episodes, and LA's current run of less then average quality episodes (save one or two), the mothership coming back to the air is the Daltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-21744382858397392652010-11-29T18:23:01.772-05:002010-11-29T18:23:01.772-05:00You see, that was always the thing for me and Law ...You see, that was always the thing for me and Law and Order before I actually started watching the new episodes. I always figured, hey there's PLENTY of episodes airing all the time on TNT and USA, it'll be there any time for me to watch...and I'm sure there are a lot of people who have that kind of mindset thinking that they can just catch those episodes on either of those stations, Esaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263390143102206878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-10435462804066610612010-11-29T17:54:40.013-05:002010-11-29T17:54:40.013-05:00The problem at NBC is not the L&O franchise, i...The problem at NBC is not the L&O franchise, it is that the L&O franchise is the ONLY DECENT programming left on the network. Therefore, L&O viewership is way down because no one knows its even occurring because no one watches the other shows.<br /><br />Also, network television has yet to realize that an advertising revenue model is not commercials as they are now, but product Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-35105716935686155442010-11-28T03:54:20.576-05:002010-11-28T03:54:20.576-05:00Which means, he wants to pursue a career with CBS....Which means, he wants to pursue a career with CBS. Doesn't mean this is in anyway NBC's fault. I mean they did want him to stay. And this will be his own show, his own creation. He was a show runner for Dick Wolf's SVU, it wasn't Neal Baer's SVU. And ten years is quite a long time on one show, seeing how most shows don't last past ten years.Esaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263390143102206878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-77669766423928557582010-11-28T02:38:26.676-05:002010-11-28T02:38:26.676-05:00Baer says he is joining CBS because they will give...Baer says he is joining CBS because they will give him the opportunity to write and develop in ways he wants to develop. It was his decision but after 10years in one spot the timing is interesting.janethylandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607205529296693442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-51589900100110862332010-11-27T15:53:12.771-05:002010-11-27T15:53:12.771-05:00I agree with Esaul
Not EVERYONE employed with NBC...I agree with Esaul<br /><br />Not EVERYONE employed with NBC/U get's 'kicked' or fired.<br /><br />I could see if the Baer news seemed to lead to a cover-up. But it's to the point: Baer is leaving to pursue a carrer with CBS. Period-point-blank.<br /><br />It doesn't mean SVU is going to get canceled! And if SVU does get cancelled, Wolf supposedly has 'a deal in place'shondranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-8573660563835596042010-11-27T05:47:40.212-05:002010-11-27T05:47:40.212-05:00Again, this was when Zucker took over NBC. And my ...Again, this was when Zucker took over NBC. And my point still stands, if NBC doesn't take care of their shows, why did the mothership last as long as it did? And change can be good, and at this rate, with Comcast taken over, I say that's a very good thing. I mean they showed Zucker the door, what more could you ask for? And NBC wanted to keep Baer, that's not why he's leaving the Esaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263390143102206878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-27292188358448253772010-11-27T02:52:15.438-05:002010-11-27T02:52:15.438-05:00Whenever someone leaves, actor or writer, they alw...Whenever someone leaves, actor or writer, they always say that the person leaving decided to go and try new things. I don't believe it for a second. IMHO, Neal Baer didn't decide to leave. I think they just got rid of him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-39175291292261763062010-11-27T01:40:32.781-05:002010-11-27T01:40:32.781-05:00NBC cancelled Southland and Mothership, both sudde...NBC cancelled Southland and Mothership, both suddenly.I dont think Drama matters much to them. Most of their money is made on Reality TV and Sport when they top the ratings in the summer period.NBC Universal owns USA cable and thats where most of their drama interests lie.<br /><br />Soon its going to be taken over by Comcast and there will be alot of changes. Maybe that is part of Baers decisionjanethylandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607205529296693442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-14175206706961309692010-11-26T13:12:27.373-05:002010-11-26T13:12:27.373-05:00IF NBC doesn't take care of their shows, why h...IF NBC doesn't take care of their shows, why has L&O had 20 years on air? And why has SVU had 12? It isn't NBC itself that doesn't take care of its shows, it's Jeff Zucker that ruined the network the moment he took over. Before he took charge of NBC, the network was number one, but since then...not just that, but I mean look what he did last year with The Jay Leno show...And Esaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263390143102206878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-39704606150532579672010-11-26T09:48:23.464-05:002010-11-26T09:48:23.464-05:00You make a very good point Janet.You make a very good point Janet.gahkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313090652718664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-35761140192615964342010-11-26T01:08:12.360-05:002010-11-26T01:08:12.360-05:00Timing is everything.
Whats unusual about Baer is ...Timing is everything.<br />Whats unusual about Baer is that he managed to avoid the revolving door for 10 or so years.<br /><br />Now suddenly he says CBS has better writing conditions, but its been obvious for years that NBC doesnt look after its writers or shows, so why now the sudden realisation.janethylandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607205529296693442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-10505079493297869102010-11-25T22:58:27.586-05:002010-11-25T22:58:27.586-05:00Robert Palm, Dawn DeNoon and Judith McCreary are t...Robert Palm, Dawn DeNoon and Judith McCreary are the three best candidates for Neal's replacement as executive producer. I particularly have enjoyed Judy's episodes; she deserves a shot at being showrunner. That said, I wouldn't mind some Rene Balcer action either on 'SVU'!gahkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313090652718664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-87739887417797849842010-11-25T09:29:50.025-05:002010-11-25T09:29:50.025-05:00A lot of the reasoning behind the Mothership's...A lot of the reasoning behind the Mothership's cancellation was all behind the scenes discussion, talking about the money for production and for re-airing the episodes from the 21st season. NBC was trying to negotiate with Wolf, and because production cost so much, they wanted Wolf to pay for most of it. You see, despite viewership, that's another issue a network faces with a show that&#Esaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263390143102206878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-80685320896761231812010-11-25T02:58:19.796-05:002010-11-25T02:58:19.796-05:00I also think SVU has gone OVERBOARD with Benson/St...I also think SVU has gone OVERBOARD with Benson/Stabler drama in the past 4-5 seasons. After Kathy had Eli we really needed to stop seeing her and the kids on a regular basis.<br /><br />As much as it pains me to say it. I'd rather see Calvin Arliss and Benson drama than Stabler family drama.<br /><br />The ONLY "Law & Order" that needs personal drama is LOCI because that's Sheilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-56325368147495860082010-11-25T02:41:56.820-05:002010-11-25T02:41:56.820-05:00LOLA is great! SVU is better than it has been.
I...LOLA is great! SVU is better than it has been. <br /><br />It's the people behind the scenes which is where the problem lays.<br /><br />LOLA is trying to do BOTH the mothership formula and a mix with a new formula and it's not giving them a good end result (in some cases, like the pilot episode Hollywood)<br /><br />SVU is 'trying' to recover from a piss-poor 11th season! Season Sheilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-70139583578706331432010-11-25T01:54:01.145-05:002010-11-25T01:54:01.145-05:00Last week LOLA beat SVU in total numbers of viewer...Last week LOLA beat SVU in total numbers of viewers.Thats a bit brow beating!janethylandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607205529296693442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-36184023951063764512010-11-25T01:38:51.700-05:002010-11-25T01:38:51.700-05:00"Good writing/acting/delivering in dramas SAV..."Good writing/acting/delivering in dramas SAVES shows: not what the show is about."<br /><br />It didn't save the mothership sadly. Executives care more about ratings before everything else.<br /><br />I thought things like the writers strike, Adam Beach, and many other things contributed to how weak season 9 was.<br /><br />Personally I've felt this season has been one of the nygma619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-89993463411927970662010-11-25T00:36:58.528-05:002010-11-25T00:36:58.528-05:00I agree 100% with Esaul and DISagree 100% of every...I agree 100% with Esaul and DISagree 100% of everything nygma619 has said.<br /><br />Season 9: SVU's "worst" season: NO! Season 11 was SVU's "worst" season.<br /><br />Good writing/acting/delivering in dramas SAVES shows: not what the show is about. I.E. "Law & Order" and even the "Simpsons" are gonna be around until after 2015!<br /><br />NBC Carlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412211079606886638.post-15393085345348370212010-11-24T23:27:47.026-05:002010-11-24T23:27:47.026-05:00It wasn't the viewer interest that got the sho...It wasn't the viewer interest that got the show canceled though. Originally they were going to give L&O a season 21, but that decision got retracted, clearly. Everyone knows that was a huge mistake, hell even 30 Rock made fun of that.Esaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263390143102206878noreply@blogger.com